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CNN
Oct 9, 2012 7:00pm PDT
that love the polls but only when the polls are going their way. right now, that would be the romney campaign. new polling in battleground states tonight, the latest cnn/orc survey in ohio done entirely after the first debate, now showing a four point obama lead. that's a statistical tie. it is a significant change from the seven to ten point lead the president enjoyed before the debate. new polling as well from sienna college that shows a statistical tie in pennsylvania. that's based on surveys done both before and after the debate and nationally in gallup's daily tracking poll which covers october 2nd through the 8th, mitt romney now holds a two point edge. today, gallup shifted from registered to likely voters, which tends to favor republicans. that said, though, it is hard to find any evidence, any evidence that president obama escaped denver without at least some damage. the only question being how severe and how long-lasting. that seems hard to dispute. just as it's hard to dispute that prior to the debate, mr. romney was getting hammered in the polls. keeping them honest thoug
CNN
Oct 8, 2012 1:00pm PDT
, a major shake-up in the polls. only 29 days before the presidential election. mitt romney clearly riding very high since his strong showing in the first presidential debate. and now he has taken the lead in a closely watched and highly respected poll. take a look at these numbers just released by the pew research center. mitt romney now four points ahead of president obama among likely voters nationwide, erasing the president's eight-point lead before the first debate. let's go deeper right now with our chief political analyst gloria borger, she's joining us. it's clear that that debate has really, really helped mitt romney. >> yeah, i don't think the romney campaign could have wanted to do any more with this debate than they did. if you look across the board at these numbers, wolf, romney has made gains in almost every area including somebody who's better able to improve the jobs situation. he leads -- romney leads obama by eight points on that. so whether it's on the economy, whether it's on leadership, he's now tied with the president. as far as leadership ability is concerned. so i t
CNN
Oct 8, 2012 4:00pm EDT
the republican campaign has to win, i believe, if mitt romney's to become president, let's see if the poll numbers in that state of ohio which we're going to see as this week proceeds, let's see if those numbers have tightened there because that's going to be a key number for us. >> it certainly must be a huge wake-up call for the obama campaign, these pew research poll numbers that have just come out. >> yeah. >> so what do they do now? they've got a vice presidential debate coming up thursday night. >> they've got to have a couple of good presidential debates and they all believe that the president can do it and clearly the president himself understands that he didn't perform the way he would have hoped in the first debate. i do think that this puts a little bit of pressure on joe biden to perform well. having talked to my sources in the biden camp, they say they're sticking with their game plan, that is to draw contrast with paul ryan. that they intend to do that. that they intend to talk about foreign policy as well as domestic policy. and that they want to continue to draw the contras
MSNBC
Oct 8, 2012 4:00pm PDT
. this afternoon pew released a poll that showed a dramatic shift toward romney. this poll covers the four days since the debate, and it has romney pulling even with president obama among registered voters, 46% even. four weeks ago pew had obama up by nine among registered voters, so this has been a huge shift in the pew poll. the move in the pew poll towards romney is greater among likely voters. romney is surging ahead to 49%. four weeks ago obama led among likely voters by eight. now to the latest gallup tracking poll which covers the last seven days. gallup has president obama back in the lead at 50 to 45. what a difference from the other poll. that's exactly where the race stood before the debate. romney had surged in the tracking poll. the two candidates were actually tied in the three days immediately after the debate, but the president seems to have wiped out romney's gains in the gallup poll. joining me right now are howard fineman, editorial director of the "huffington post," and the honorable michael nutter, mayor of philadelphia and presidential surrogate in this tough campaign. gen
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 8:00pm PDT
's debate. the real clear politics average of all polls show mitt romney taking a .7% lead on president obama. the race was this tight a month ago. right after the republican national convention and right before the democratic national convention. we have been here before. the race has followed this pattern for awhile. when mitt romney makes gain, the polls tend to show the candidates tied. but if you listen to right-wingers like ann colter, this race is already over. >> i think it is over. and the reason i think it's over -- of course, i thought it was over last week and the week before and the week before. romney is going to win. the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. to make it look like the race has swung in favor of mitt romney. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot
MSNBC
Oct 13, 2012 11:00am PDT
debate as well. >> hey, peter, according to that latest poll, romney down just a few points there behind president obama in ohio, inching closer by the day. what's different about the romney campaign strategy in the buckeye state right now versus that strategy maybe say two weeks ago? >> reporter: i think it's pretty clear that romney feels much more confident. he feels much more loose as he interacts with voters and delivers his stump speech. it's because of that debate performance about ten days or sore now. when we were on the trail for months, craig, it was very clear that people were here because they did not like president obama. increasingly they're here because they believe mitt romney is the guy that can beat him and lead this country. whether it's strategic or not, that's the biggest take away. stay technologically on the ground they're flooding ohio and other swing states with advertising, spending, restore our future. that's the primary super pac that has been supporting mitt romney from the start. there's some reporting today that they're now spending $14 million across nine
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 3:00pm PDT
alert. what started as a slow trickle in polls, heading romney's way turned in to quite something else tonight. while it's not a full gusher of strong poll numbers yet for the republican nominee. things are moving his direction. across the country. mitt romney now has take an two-point lead over the president in the latest gallup poll of likely voters. 49% to 47%. for the first time since last october, romney leads in the real clear politic average of polls, the national average. the numbers 48 to 47.3. we have fox team coverage of the race for the presidency. chief white house correspondent ed henry is traveling with the president in columbus, ohio. chief political correspondent carl cameron is with the romney campaign. across the way in cuyahoga falls. >> reporter: mr. romney stormed in the buckeye state. for the first time since the democratic convention in early september, he is either tied, in some cases now leading in the polls. surging in both national and battle ground state polls the latest american research group poll shows romney ahead in colorado 50 to 46. ohio, romney at 4
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 2:00pm PDT
-47. after yesterday's new poll showing romney up by four, 49-45. so where does the race stand in charles krauthammer. >> romney got nothing out of tampa. obama got bumped maybe three to five out of charlotte. what happened when that debate is romney got it all back. in 90 minutes in one night. maybe even more. right now the race is tied with romney still, i think, having some of the momentum from the debate. i think the rest of this story will be determined by the remaining debates. >> dana: debate fall-out from last week taking place. i like the smile that you just had. because i've -- the trajectory and the headline have been weighing down the obama team. we're going to get to the small ball thing in a minute. that's the fun part of the segment. poll wise for you, what stood out for you of the ones that have come out in the last couple of days? >> andrea: women. pew research center has them dead even at vii-vii. this was a demographic we have been told month after month that obama has had assailing can't lead -- significant lead with, he spent a lot of time and energy, he and the surro
MSNBC
Oct 7, 2012 9:00am PDT
on the president's debate in just a moment. but first, here is the gallop daily tracking poll, mitt romney closing the gap on president obama, who still leads by three points, 49-46, and taking to the tv air waves, the romney camp claiming the president's plan will increase taxes, here is the new ad. >> president obama continues to distort mitt romney's economic plan. the latest? not telling the truth about mitt romney's plan, it doesn't add up, abc news, mostly fiction, even the obama campaign admitted it was not true. >> okay, stipulatelated. it won't be near 5 trillion. >> obama's plan? $4,000 more in taxes on the middle class, we can't afford four more years. >>> from the obama campaign, an ad targeting mitt romney's plan, and calling it just an act. >> why was romney so dishonest about his plan? the massive new tax cut for millionaires means higher tax cuts for the middle class, and aarp says romney's plan undermines medicare by turning it into a voucher. we have real challenges to meet. children to educate, a class to rebuild. >> one more note within this past hour, the president left on a t
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 2:00am PDT
, there is new polling out. it shows the race between president obama and mitt romney closer than ever. tracie potts has more on that from washington. good morning. >> lynn, good morning. mitt romney is going to iowa today to a family farm before heading off to ohio where we'll hear his repeat his new campaign line. mitt romney has a new campaign line today. >> hope is not a strategy. >> reporter: we first heard it in the foreign policy speech monday. he argues, president obama's policies have made the world more dangerous. >> it's a risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. >> romney promised to create one point person to deal with the middle east, arm syria's rebels, sanction iran if needed, expand the navy and push free trade. democrats aren't impressed. >> i'm a professor. he gave absolutely no specifics. >> polls are now split on romney's popularity. pugh has him up four points among likely voters. the positive jobs report gave president obama a five point boost. according to hispanic voters in california, president obama moves to ohio today claimin
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 5:00am EDT
's debate polls show obama trailing mitt romney by one point. yeah. one point or as is also known the thing obama failed to make during last week's debate. speaking of the election, you guys, the vice-presidential debate is just three days away. both sides are busy getting ready. and republican candidate paul ryan says he expects joe biden to come at him like a cannonball. biden was like, there's going to be a pool there? i'm more of a belly flop guy. >> tonight jimmy welcomes christopher watkin and pete townsend. that is "late night with jimmy fallon." >>> all right. time now for entertainment news. one of hollywood's most enduring couples are calling it quits. danny devito and reea pearlman separated after 30 years of marriage. the two met in 1978. they have three children together, all in their 20s. there's no word yet on what caused the split. i was surprised by that. okay, katy perry went all out for her performance at president obama's l.a. fund-raiser sunday night. complete with a special manicure. there were photos of the president and the democrat donk donkey. >>> first justin bieb
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 6:00pm PDT
a similar poll. romney up by 4 points in the pew poll. in the swing states, mr. romney leading in colorado by 4. mr. obama leading in pennsylvania by 2, the right poll showing a tie in nevada. the president up in new hampshire by 6 points. and really the one poll we waited on all day, the one poll that might matter more than any other single piece of data, the one piece we got today, president obama holding on to a 4-point lead in ohio. let's poll this one out. this is a cnn number from this afternoon. barack obama with an edge of 4 points in ohio, which is just outside the margin of error. it's far less than the 9-point leads in the survey not long ago. i should say to democrats and obama supporters, i'm sorry if i unleashed those numbers on you with a mature content warning label. but my friend e.j. dionne will be with us later. he says, i was talking with an old friend who was one of the nonpartisan polling outfits. we were discussing the large shifts in some of the polls on the presidential election and the feedback he receives whenever he puts out new numbers that make one side or the
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 3:00am PDT
day and it's a whole new ball game. mitt romney up in the polls and riding high in the all important sunshine state. >> four years after presidency has not been able to get america back on track. he can't, he doesn't know how. i know how and i will get the job done. >> alisyn: so can romney keep up with the president in the cash race? we'll break down the numbers. >> speaking of campaign cash after the poor performance in the debate the president's off to hollywood. going to hollywood. is the president actually worried? the left is going to stream right? we report, you decide. >> america, we have a new odd couple. >> (cheers) >> and what would you like for christmas, little boy? >> more from the debate between bill o'reilly and jon stewart, last night. whatever show that was. >> "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> good saturday morning-- or sunday morning. >> that's close. well, it's still saturday somewhere. >> alisyn: in your brain. >> peter johnson, jr. in for dave briggs. >> nice to see you. >> alisyn: did you stay up and watch the debate? . no, i watched clips. >> on your
CNN
Oct 13, 2012 11:00am PDT
crowley. >>> the race is extremely close right now. the new cnn poll of polls shows romney with a two-point lead nationally over president barack obama, and here's the latest polling out of ohio. it shows president obama with a three-point lead. >>> as president barack obama has visited ohio more than 20 times and most of those stops have been this year, mitt romney and paul ryan are there again this weekend as john shows us it is the battleground of the battleground states. and ohio's working moms could be the key to victory. >> the lights still on past midnight. another 20-hour day for jessica. >> i'm a single mom of a 5-year-old little girl who is fantastic. i work full time. and go to school full time. so my day usually starts around 4:45 in the morning, and ends close to 1:00 a.m. you do what you have to do in this economy. >> her vote, she said, is for jillian's future. she was leaning mitt romney until his own words pushed her back to undecided. >> about the 47%, and i can't worry about them. how can you put your faith and trust in a candidate that doesn't care about everybody?
FOX News
Oct 8, 2012 8:00am PDT
romney getting a big bounce in the polls after getting the best of president obama in their first debate. welcome to the second hour of "happening now." i'm jon scott. jenna: high, everybody, i'm jenna lee. right now the president is raising campaign cash in california. as you know if you're watching "happening now", which you should every day by the way. jon: yes. jenna: governor romney wrapping up speech on foreign policy. that was billed to be a big moment establishing himself and what he feels about the foreign policy that a romney administration would put into place if he is elected mentioning. jon: some interesting points in the speech he just finished. key points awareness of impact on voters just 29 dice before they go to the polls. governor romney closing the gap in the latest "gallup poll." the candidates are tied now at 47%, just before the debate, president obama was ahead by 5%, 50-45. talk about it with bret baier, the anchor of "special report". bret, i read this was the most watched presidential debate since reagan-carter back in the '80s. clearly a lot of people were pay
FOX News
Oct 8, 2012 11:00am EDT
governor romney's strong performance in last week's presidential debate a new "gallup poll" taken in the first three days after the faceoff, shows the two contenders locked into a dead-heat, 47% each. what does governor romney's team need to do to keep up the momentum? erin mcpike, national political reporter for "real clear politics.". erin, i know a lot of republicans are saying the momentum has swung governor romney's way. it is a sprint to the finish line. you seem to be a little more cautious about that. why? >> i am because i'm looking at "real clear politics" polling averages of all the battleground states and the president is still ahead in big states he needs to win like wisconsin and ohio. he also still winning in new hampshire and nevada. and when you add those states to the electoral college map, it shows still that it's a tough way for mitt romney to go. he has got to win more than just say virginia and florida if he can win those now. jon: how many of those polls that "real clear politics" averages, how many have been taken post-debate, do you know? are they reflecti
MSNBC
Oct 11, 2012 8:00am PDT
't changed. >> one debate down. the vp showdown just hours away. a new poll today shows mitt romney makes gains in three key swing states. romney flips the script in virginia, now leading by one point. the fight for florida is a statistical dead heat. and romney has narrowed the gap this ohio, although the buckeye state, what every republican needs to win the white house, is still solidly in obama's corner. >> this is the conversation we were having before both conventions. so almost as everything has been erased. >> i think it accounts for the hemorrhaging that they let romney back in. >> joining me now is ed schultz host of the ed show. and let's start with this. congressman ryan as well as the chairman both trying to set the stage for tonight. let's listen. >> joe biden's been on will stage many times before. this is my first time. so, sure, it's a nervous situation. because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. >> this is miss firhis first ti. joe biden's been doing this since the 1800s. he'll do a solid job. >> so when you listen to this, the b
CBS
Oct 14, 2012 5:00pm PDT
question here. there's no question and the polls reflect that romney helped himself in his debate. you heard what frank luntz just said about that kind of instant poll that he ran. but are you seeing any polling yet that suggests that the vice presidential debate made any difference in the race, not on who won or lost? >> no, not really. i think we see, you know, this-- the race overall now in the national polls you see the average of them romney's up by a point or two. he was behind by three points or so before that denver debate. in the battleground states some have turned -- colorado, florida is looking better, ohio is a little tighter, the president is still up there. that's all because of denver. i don't think we've seen anything in this-- the debate field like it went into the automatic sorting machine of this election where we already had, the right took from it what they wanted the left took what they wanted, and the swing voters may have been a little offended by biden but they're not going to make their decision-- >> schieffer: i'm going to ring the bell for round two. >> bab
FOX News
Oct 14, 2012 9:00am PDT
countries. >>> according to the latest polls, governor romney is gaining some ground in the key swing states of ohio, florida, and virginia. crowds at his campaign stops are growing and poll numbers are inching upwards hi since his performance in the first presidential debate. no republican has ever won the presidency without winning ohio. according to a real clear politics average, the president is less than a point ahead in virginia, and romney is leading the president in florida by three points. >>> the family of elizabeth marriott is asking for help to find the 19-year-old's body. the university of new hampshire student vanished last tuesday night in dover, new hampshire. police say they believe elizabeth is dead and they believe they have the man who killed her. 29 yea year old seth mazzaglia n custody. police are working to recover her body but say they have credible evidence that the suspect disposed of her remains in new hampshire. >>> we're now going to check in with one of our top house members who is keeping an eye on the events in libya as they unfold. as we have here' hearings o
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 2:00pm PDT
romney is leading by two points. if you look at the trend line of recent polling, you can see that obama in the blue line really picked up in september following his convention. we all saw that happen but he dropped and romney started gaining in the past several days following the debate. and as you just mentioned, bob, from ohio the president's firewall, a new cnn/opinion research poll shows obama up by four, 51%/47% among likely voters. that poll was taken after the debate -- actually after the debate. before the debate obama had a wider margin. i should point out something i learned today which i think you guys probably already know. a like lib voter as opposed to a registered voter who is a registered voter when asked from one to ten are you likely to vod, nine or ten. second question did you vote in 2010 or 2008, if you say yes to either of those three -- two out of those three, you are considered a likely voter. >> that's right. >> if you just voted in '08 and '10, that's good enough. if you voted in '08 but you say your chances are 9 to 10 -- between 1 and 10, then you're a likely
MSNBC
Oct 13, 2012 1:00pm PDT
, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> mitt romney -- >> a recent cbs/"new york times" poll puts disapproval of congress an eye-popping 75%. let's go ahead and bring in today's brain trust. syndicated columnist bob franken, and the "washington post's" jennifer rubin, also a contributor to cnbc's "kudlow report." good saturday afternoon to all of you. kevin, i want to start with you. you're here in the studio with me. you wrote a piece. it's titled why vote. >> yeah. >> my ap government politics teach worry have a fit with this one. but in the article you say in part, quote, for more than a generation, this has been the central truth of american politics. how you cast your vote has almost no relation to what any candidate actually intends to do. do you truly believe that no americans can no longer count on the men and women they vote for to live up to their campaign promise? >> i do. there is a tremendous disconnect from the people at the head of the parties and the people we put into office, and a lot of their base. more so in the democratic party. but also even if you're a republican and yo
MSNBC
Oct 13, 2012 4:00pm EDT
. the latest nbc news marist poll shows mitt romney with 48% of the vote. president obama 47%. that's likely voters in the commonwealth. that's a shift from last week hen the president had 48% and governor romney had 46%. those numbers are both well within the poll's margin of error. so we wanted to find out who is really ahead in virginia. i'm joined by brian moran, chairman of the democratic party of virginia. also cory stewart, the chairman of the prince william board of county supervisors, also a republican candidate for lieutenant governor there. let's start off, gentlemen, with listening to some sound from undecided voters in virginia. this is after the vice presidential debate on thursday. take a listen. >> i think the -- what was it, 23 million people are unemployed. i think that that's a big statistic, especially for young grads, especially young college grads. >> both have packages to create jobs. however, the jobs that are going to be created by president obama and vice president joe biden are going to be ones that are immediate jobs. >> all right, cory, let's start there. will pr
CNN
Oct 10, 2012 1:00pm PDT
in that first debate with mitt romney. was it just a question of manners? also, while polls show mitt romney turning things around, he still faces a big hurdle in a critical battleground state. why ohio's so-called walmart moms may not be sold on the republican nominee. and should race or ethnic background be considered when students apply to college? the u.s. supreme court weighs a new challenge to affirmative action. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> the obama administration got a grilling today over the assault on the united states consulate in benghazi, libya, that took the lives of the united states ambassador and three other americans. state department officials took a lot of heat in a partisan congressional hearing. and the white house was also bombarded with questions today about the handling of the entire incident. let's go live to our white house correspondent, dan lothian. he's got the very latest. dan. >> reporter: wolf, you know, this was the first briefing that we've had in about two w
CNN
Oct 10, 2012 2:00am PDT
.com for the latest throughout the day. >>> a new cnn/orc poll showed mitt romney registered a big bounce in the buckeye state after the first presidential debate. likely ohio voters now have the president's lead dwindling to four points, that's well within the margin of error. that makes the race for ohio's 18 electoral votes a statistical tie. before the debate some polls showed the president leading by as many as ten points. no republican has won the presidency without carrying ohio. >> i think there's probably relief from the obama side that our poll shows him leading through. >>> nine minutes after the hour, mitt romney is not running from big bird. in fact, he's embracing big bird after his pledge to cut funding from pbs. the obama camp went on the offensive accusing the republican nominee of trying to kill the popular "sesame street" character. but romney is not backing down. listen to what he told wolf blitzer in "the situation room" last night. >> big sbird going to be just fine. "sesame street" is a very successful enterprise. i don't believe cnn gets government funding but some
CNN
Oct 8, 2012 6:00am PDT
to the polls. in a new politico/george washington university poll 86% of those who backed romney say they're extremely likely to vote compared to 73% who support obama. that poll was taken before the president's lackluster debate performance. a performance that's still being widely trashed. >> number two, open up more trade. especially with latin america. >> the anniversary gift. i can't believe i forgot the anniversary gift. this is bad. this is very bad. okay. i was tdistracted by e mess i inherited from bush. but, still, i should have remembered our anniversary. >> former house speaker newt gingrich says, remember that weird moment with clint eastwood's empty chair? it's become symbolic. in their latest cover the new yorker magazine seems to agree with gingrich. take a look. empty podium. empty chair. it pretty much says it all. >>> polls aside, enthusiasm does seem to be gaining for romney. he attracted nearly 9,000 people at rally in florida sunday. he raised 12 million tl$12 mill donations right after the debate. still romney remains in a statistical tie with the president. most pol
FOX News
Oct 14, 2012 3:00am PDT
voters have a favorable opinion of mitt romney than president obama, but only by a hair. and in a poll that was taken after the debate, a fox news poll. mitt romney had 52% favorability rating. one point higher than the president's 51%, but 4 points higher than before the debate in denver whereas the president's number didn't budge before and after. in the second round of debating could maybe the numbers flip again since this format leaves both candidates a lot of room to be, remember, not only for what they say, but what they do or where they stand. when vice-president al gore stood too close to then governor george w. bush and looked awkward. >> and, president obama is a few points ahead in a few critical swing states. so, a strong debate at hofstra university out on long island is important for both men, back to you. >> alisyn: it should be really interesting, thanks for the preview, important policy will be interesting to hear them talk about that, including one of the questions that they said was going to be what is the u.s.'s role in the world? >> that's in the third and final de
MSNBC
Oct 9, 2012 4:00pm PDT
by just three there as well now in a new epic-mra poll, obama, 48%, romney, 45%. we'll be right back. boy, they are close. [ male announcer ] every day, thousands of people, like you, are choosing advil® because it helps you keep doing what you love. no wonder it's america's #1 selling pain reliever. you took action, you took advil®. and we thank you. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your first accident, and new car replacement, where if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call... to talk to an insurance expert about everything else that comes standard with our base auto policy. [ tires squeal ] and if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, your repairs are guaranteed for life. call... to switch, and you could save hundreds. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's
FOX News
Oct 11, 2012 2:00pm PDT
put the polls in together now. romney got somewhat of a bump from the first debate but the problem was in ohio, virginia, and florida, 92% of the people already made up their minds. after the debate, none changed. undecided in the states, romney did win the undecided votes. the fact remains in florida and virginia, obama is still up bay point. ohio up by six points. more importantly, ohio, they already voted 25% of their voters. it's overwhelmingly democratic now. >> dana: i heard just the opposite. >> bob: let me read it right from here. it says voters started in ohio overwhelmingly democratic and voted for the president by a wide margin. >> andrea: that is in your own handwriting. >> bob: it's not really. crayyon. it's not. that's how they get to you. say things like that. it's not in my handwriting. i don't write well. >> andrea: the absentee ballots are in favor of mitt romney. they're at the same level that george w. bush had in ohio and florida in 2004. >> bob: you are reading some place in the wizard of oz. these are votes of gallup and rasmussen and others. i don't trust ra
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